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Permalink Reply by BlackMagic on July 2, 2010 at 7:19pm

While I think criminalizing strip clubs in Texas may be a long shot, the other ones may be an uphill battle.

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Permalink Reply by MDS on July 2, 2010 at 7:39pm

Well, let's see..... I'm sure that there are plenty of people would assume this is "specifically targeting gay couples". But the truth is, it's not. Sodomy is something that is outlawed by many states as it is now. Oral sex, is something that is also currently outlawed in several states as a "Crime against Nature". In fact, according to North Carolina state law, both Sodomy and Oral Sex are illegal even with your legally married spouse.

As far as the story itself? Well, isn't it sort of strange that NEW YORK Daily News (one of the most Liberal states) is putting out a story about TEXAS Republican Party (one of the most Republican States)? I mean, if the Texas Republican Party is being so blatantly anti-gay, wouldn't you expect someone in TEXAS to write the story about it? Then again, maybe if you went directly to the source you would see what they have to say.

While I don't agree with a good portion of their propositions, they do have the right to make the proposal to their constitutes. It's up to the people living in Texas to either help elect the party members or vote against them.

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Permalink Reply by Jon, Gallifrey's Mindfreak on July 2, 2010 at 7:53pm

Well, the New York Daily News was just the first link I could find.

Any act of picking a liberal newspaper that was saying Texas was being anti-gay was purely accidental. In fact, I was planning on elaborating that this would target heterosexual couples as well (I didn't have time to when I made the forum).

But still, do you not find such a proposition ridiculous? Aren't you allowed to fuck any way you wish, gay or heterosexual? Personally, the fact that such laws have a chance to come into the world sickens me.

Then again, I'm not exactly "politically savvy", and I'm sure you have a better grasp on the situation than I do. :-)

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Permalink Reply by MDS on July 2, 2010 at 10:56pm

"Personally, the fact that such laws have a chance to come into the world sickens me."

That's just it though. Most of the laws regarding Sodomy are already in place, in one way or another. Most of the time, they were based on decades of prudish attitudes towards sexuality in general. It was viewed as "deviant" or "immoral" or "hygiene reasons". The truth is, that while people have always been sodomizing each other in one way or another (consensual or not) the governments have always taken the position of "protector" and made a law regarding it.

I guess my problem with the whole "sodomy/oral" debate now, is that it's trying to be used by one side or the other, with regards to the homosexual community. Most people say that anything "new" in these laws are for homophobic reasons, but they aren't that simple. Most of laws of regarding sodomy/oral sex were written and passed prior to the debate of homosexuality. That's why a lot of the time, when a prostitute is charged with a crime it gets something like "Crime against Nature", or "Lewd act", or "Immoral Conduct". It's because the prudish views on sodomy and oral sex were prevalent when the laws were written, not specifically against homosexuals.

While I do agree that humans should be allowed to do anything in the privacy of their own bedrooms, as long as they both have given their consent to do it, I also do think that there should be laws passed to prevent people from doing those act in public. Oh, I don't mean throw them in jail for life or anything like that, but make them pay a heavy fine.

Keep your own sexual preferences and practices private, or charge for admission. =)

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Permalink Reply by Jon, Gallifrey's Mindfreak on July 2, 2010 at 11:16pm

I also do think that there should be laws passed to prevent people from doing those act in public

Well, of course. That'd be indecent exposure, I got nothing against that.

Another problem I have with the concept of this idea is the process of policing it. Let's say there is a perfectly normal couple who performs oral sex in the privacy of their own bedroom. How do the cops keep track of that?

Would it not lead to Orwellian policing tactics?

.......Ok, that's a stretch. But it could possibly lead to something similar to the Salem Witch Trials (at least how they were portrayed in Arthur Miller's play The Crucible)

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Permalink Reply by Dominika Oliver on July 2, 2010 at 11:20pm

Well, it would give people a reason to want to work for the government, especially with no porn around.

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Permalink Reply by Dominika Oliver on July 2, 2010 at 11:12pm

I'm pretty sure this platform is on that party's website.

http://www.hrc.org/documents/2010_RPT_PLATFORM.pdf

Some of it is ok, but I'll name a few things here:

-Oppose affirmative action and reparations
-Making every driver's licence indicate whether someone is a US Citizen

-Opposing the Employee Non-Discrimination Act because "owners and employees to violate their own beliefs and principles by affirming what they consider to be sinful and sexually immoral behavior."

-Any form of desecration of the American Flag is an act of disregard for our nation and its people and
penalties should be established for such. (This seems to go against the first Amendment. Don't get me wrong, flag burning is wrong, but if you don't like this government, you should have a right to show it).

-"We urge our governmental bodies to enforce laws regarding all forms of pornography. We urge more
stringent legislation to prohibit all pornography including virtual pornography and operation of sexually–oriented
businesses."

-We implore our Party to support, financially or with in-kind contributions, only those candidates who support protecting innocent human life. (meaning you don't get money if you're pro-choice).

-We oppose sale and use of the dangerous “Morning After Pill.” (note: this is NOT an abortion pill. This is something like a controceptive. Honestly, I don't care if they make abortions illegal, but I am opposed to making a contraceptive illegal).

-We support a ban on research that alters human DNA in living human beings at any stage of life,
including the altering of artificial, manufactured, and natural genes and chromosomes. (Ok, what about research on genetic conditions? Oh, I don't want to live in GATACA, but some people have serious genetic diseases).

-We support reducing the time, bureaucratic interference and cost of adoption. The law should assure mothers
of a choice in selecting a traditional home for their children at the time of terminating their rights for adoption. We oppose mandatory open adoption and adoption by homosexuals. (ok, the first part of this is ok, but ANYONE should be able to adopt. ANYONE and EVERYONE!)

-We support amendment of the Americans with Disabilities Act to exclude from its
definition those persons with infectious diseases, substance addiction, learning disabilities, behavior disorders,
homosexual practices and mental stress, thereby reducing abuse of the Act.

-There's a big section AGAINST bilingual education. Way to support ethnocentrism and ignorance.

-...remind administrators and school boards that corporal punishment is effective and legal in Texas. (ok for those of you that are interested, spanking and punishment like such has been proven to be psychologically ineffective and even scarring. Positive feedback for good behavior is more effective).

-We support Texas’ colleges and universities use of the same or substitutable textbooks for ten
or more years in order to bring costs to students down and maintain some residual value for used books. We
oppose restrictions on use of textbooks for multiple years, such as requiring annual access codes. (Ok, this is fine for some subjects, but is a terrible idea for sciences. I'm all for saving money, but I also want to up to date in my education).

-We oppose any sex education other than abstinence until heterosexual marriage. (I am not even going to get started on this)

-We urge legislators to prohibit reproductive health care services, including counseling, referrals,
and distribution of condoms and contraception through public schools. We support the parents’ right to choose,
without penalty, which medications are administered to their minor children. We oppose medical clinics on school property except higher education and health care for students without parental consent.

-We deplore all discrimination. We also deplore forced sensitivity training and urge repeal of any
mandate requiring it. We urge immediate repeal of the Hate Crimes Law. Until the Hate Crimes Law is totally repealed, we urge the Legislature to immediately remove the education curriculum mandate and the sexual orientation category in said Law.

-We believe the Minimum Wage Law should be repealed. (I'd like more details on this)

I'm not even going to start on immigration and international affairs, or the horribly discriminating laws against homosexuality. And yes, there are some things I agree on, but there's just too much ugliness.

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Permalink Reply by BOWENARROW on July 2, 2010 at 10:12pm

Yeah sodomy is also against the Uniform Code of Military Justice....I should of gone to Captains Mast several times...mainly all the times I visited Thailand

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Permalink Reply by DarkProphet94 on July 2, 2010 at 11:14pm

i may come off as a dumbass when i say this, but how do you ban oral sex? strip clubs and pornography i understand because those are available to the public. i can even understand sodomy cause that can go as far as refer to beastiality. but oral sex is a private practice, and doin it in public is considered public indecency. so, unless Texas is going to go Big Brother on its citizens, i can't really see how its possible.

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Permalink Reply by Jon, Gallifrey's Mindfreak on July 2, 2010 at 11:30pm

Big Brother?

Bitch please, Texas has someone even more all seeing watching over them.

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Permalink Reply by Dominika Oliver on July 2, 2010 at 11:38pm

Oh shit! I take everything back! Good job, Republican GOP!

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Permalink Reply by DarkProphet94 on July 3, 2010 at 12:56am

no offense to the Texas Ranger, but there is a more all powerful being that luminates our sky:

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