If it's crap ... We'll tell you
I saw the movie yesterday and I wanted to bring up a few questions and comments for those who have seen it. I think the visuals, atmosphere, and acting were good overall. But the plot was garbage and the characters did some extremely stupid things. Anyway, here's a few things on my mind.
1) What was up with the black biological substance in what I'd call the alien missile room? The movie opens with one of the humanoid engineers drinking it and apparently committing suicide as we see the black stuff wreak havoc on his cellular tissue even down to the helical structure of his dna. He freaking disintegrated. Why he did this is unexplained but if anything I took from it that the black stuff was dangerous. YET, David mixes it in the scientist guy's drink and this time the black substance integrates itself into the man's dna going as far as to alter the code of his sperm. Next thing we know, his girlfriend scientist is 3 months pregnant in 10 hours with a viable human/xenomorph giant facehugger predecessor in her uterus. So which is it? Did these Engineers craft a WMD meant to disentegrate biological tissue all together or was their plan to engineer the xenomorphs so they could multiply and destroy earth's inhabitants classic alien style? I can live with either idea but it would have been less confusing had they just stuck to one. And since this is an Alien prequel, just use option 2 and throw out that opening scene.
2) What is the story with the only other lifeforms seen in the movie? They appear as earthworm looking creatures in the soil at one point. I noticed them in human footprints. Then I assume they grow to become the snake-like water swimming creatures with obvious classic 'Alien' features. They have acidic blood and prefer to enter the body through the mouth. But this time, instead of nesting a chest-bursting egg for later, these things seem to take over the mind completely. We get an (out of place) action sequence were an infected scientist loses his mind and attacks the crew. Okay, fine. Is this what happened to the crew of Engineers on the alien ship? We see a stack of their dead bodies in one scene were one of the scientist says one of the few smart things in the movie (Let's go east!). Did one of the engineers become infected and cause all those deaths? Or were all those bodies infected already and they had to be executed? I don't remember an explanation in the movie. And what were the holograms of the engineers running away from in the hallway before one of them got their head chopped off by a door? Again, unexplained unless I missed something. I would have preferred to see what was going on and what they were up against. I can only assume that a faulty dna disentegrating WMD Alien breeding WMD led to the growth somehow of the snake creatures, which then infected the crew, made them lose their minds and practically killed them all. Okay, fine.... But maybe it would have been better to see that happen with a clear explanation on how the black substance went from black goo to living snake creature. I'd assume that as a parasitic life form it'd have to find a host somewhere first. That is a host where it doesn't disentegrate its dna and kill it in the first place. Anyway...
3) With all of that said and with how dangerous a situation this was, this movie's explorers were the dumbest characters I've seen in a long time on screen.
"Let's all take our head gears off since we've never seen War of the Worlds and there are absolutely no microscopic bacteria in the air that will kill us later!"
"And NO guns! We're smart explorers not like Indiana Jones or Lara Croft. There's absolutely no threat at all we'll encounter in this movie where we'll need to defend ourselves like in any of the other Alien movies."
"Screw that! This is 2093, and I'm bringing the big guns with me! By that I mean this stupid little flame thrower and a pea shooter which at best would only piss off an already angry, homicidal, giant."
"Wow! Look at the adorable alien snake. Let me pet it like the DUMBASS I am!!"
"I'm Mr. Weyland. I only have a short while to live. So don't wake me up from my life-sustaining hibernation when you've actually discovered a way to prolong my life which is why I spent a trillion dollars to make the trip. Instead, wake me up when you've found what we automatically assume to be a non-hostile alien so that I can have a talk with him... Cuz that just makes too much damn sense to me."
I agree with you. good movie in general, but just brought up a whole lot of questions.
to kind of answer your first question, I think they guy drinking the black stuff and dying (my guess) is supposed to show how the black stuff has an acidic nature to it and describes how these creatures can grow up with acid blood, the liquid being dark also shows how they're transparent in color, but in contrast show how xenomorphs are black. The boyfriend slowly dying could also show that there are small organisms in the black goo showing how they multiply and spread fast, eating the body from the inside completely.
there is also the guy who just comes back to life to attack everyone. this could be set up to the fact that the alien queen can mentally control the other aliens and like the alien queen, they can collectively control the host body of a species.
then there was the whole part of the alien making. how does infected boyfriend make squidward instead of a tapeworm creature. and what happened to the xenomorph that went into the guy's arm and into its mouth, they show it flying out and then the movie completely forgets about that creature.
I guess this is the case because xenomorphs take the form of what they are from, since the tentacle monster is born in a womb it looks like a womb(with teeth) itself. Since the tentacle monster is squid like and all squids have an elongated head, that would explain why xenomorphs have the elongated head (still doesnt explain how the space jockey gets a needle head xenomorph though).
there was also the interesting picture of the christ like symbol of the xenomorph behind the giant head statue which I think is the most interesting part of Prometheus
i also found this segment which is interesting to ideas of black liquid. remember the paintings that were dissolving in the room because of introduction to oxygen.
It is also highly unlikely that [ a xenomorph] carries oxygen for a few reasons: The first being that the Xenomorph has been known to survive in vacuums such as space (for short periods of time, at least). The second being that, in the Director's Cut of Aliens, Bishop mentions that the fluid loses its acidity shortly after the creature's death due to oxidation (plausibly unimportant as oxidation is a term in chemistry used for the loss of electrons rather than a reaction with oxygen. All acids are oxidised no matter what they react with, therefore this has no bearing on blood carrying oxygen.)
Thanks for the link. Interesting stuff. The picture makes me question why they took the time to show the evolution of the Alien species in the first place. We get the familiar snake tentacle wrap to enter through the mouth, a giant sized face hugger predecessor, and a not quite fully developed baby alien in the end. But what is the point in showing these links in the evolution when the picture above already shows the existence of the fully evolved Aliens we know of from previous movies. That's weird.
Btw, if the AVP movies are a part of this timeline, then predator technology was used by Weyland industries to invent the space travel we see in Prometheus. And with that, then for sure fully evolved Aliens already existed long ago as seen in the AVPs. So putting these lesser evolved aliens in the movie without any explanation as to why they aren't evolved (and where the hell are the evolved aliens) is again weird.
The black goo from the canister I don't believe is the same as what the engineer drinks to sacrifice himself allowing his DNA to be the first, conception of life, on earth.
The black goo from the canisters is a biological agent used to create xeno like creatures which make great bio weapons/planet cleansing creatures. Which they were going to use on humanity 2000 years ago but suffered an outbreak of the beings in their own installation and ship as you can see holes bursted through several hibernation chambers in the chair room/bridge of the juggernaut and you hear millburn commenting on how they(dead space jockeys piled up) appear to have exploded from the inside. Fifield(mohawk dude) didn't have a hammerpede(mutated worm) go inside of him but had his helmet splattered with acid and then fell into the goo which later started to turn him into a xeno like creature. Don't try to understand the mechanics of it as it's alien technology that's not meant to be thoroughly thought out and I even doubt Lindelof or spaiths had a clear process in mind.
Obviously a real expedition to a possibly alien world would come about after months or years of testing and surveying the planet and structures on it with probes/robots but that doesn't make for a good story does it? Not to mention the fact that this was a relatively hush hush secret mission which half the crew didn't even know about until being briefed on arrival this all on top of smuggling a thought to be dead company ceo along for the ride.
I see some of your points. But concerning your first statement, 1) are we assuming that it was prehistoric Earth we were watching and not the planet they traveled to, 2) the engineer's dna didn't completely dissolve like the rest of him and 3) which ever remnants of him were left were able to spawn all the diverse life on Earth as we know it? As possible as that all sounds it would have been nice if they'd explained that to be the case instead of leaving it to us to assume that's what happened. They really should have made that clear.
I missed the holes in the hibernation chambers and in the stacked bodies. But that's good to know. As to putting a more logical method of exlploring the planet into a movie were time isn't really an issue (a movie can span 90 actual minutes or 90 years during a story) then yes, that and many other things would have helped this movie a lot.
It was a prehistoric earth as ridley scott or lindelof has said so in an interview. One of the main points of the movie was that the engineers made us and sacrificing your own body with your DNA would make sense to the near perfect if not perfect dna match shown in the film. Big things have small beginnings.
Also the holes are easily visible in these two images the only hibernation chamber without one is the one the living engineer emerges from.
Now you see, it shouldn't have taken an interview to clarify this point. A short, simple confirmation IN THE MOVIE was all that was needed. And thanks for the pics. But honestly it's not that hard to miss those holes.
That being said it doesn't even matter if that's specifically earth. It was merely shown to portray engineers making new life. You should be able to put that together with the fact that shaw and halloway think they did that for us and the match in DNA confirms it.
it was clear it was Earth, one of the major points of the premise is that the Engineers created life on earth, which is evident by the whole ritualistic manner in which the engineer drank the black liquid, fell into the waterfall as his body disintegrated as his DNA spread. Plus the rest of the movie pretty much confirmed this. Noomi Rappace's character says straight up "They created life on earth.." at the end.
Not that hard to put 2 + 2 together man.
I hear you but I don't think it's said that it's a perfect match?(as i'm confused on everything I bit too I know i'm flip flopping a bit :P) If it did then yeah that's kind of ridiculous. The other thing is it's not necessarily earth. I've seen a really old interview where scott says it's earth and a more recent one where he and lindelof both say it doesn't matter if it is or not. I'm curious if it was at which point in earths history? Before dinosaurs or 100,000-200,000 years ago?
All this said Ridley Scott himself said it's not a science lecture it's a movie for fun so nitpicking isn't worth it.
I'd rather discuss things like an adult rather than claim your argument is invalid by default, as you just did to me.
I didn't claim anyone's argument was invalid. You could very easily take any movie(surely even several of your favorites whatever they are) and criticize the science or plausibility of a situation and lose respect for it. The errors in it weren't enough to ruin the experience for me.
Oh excuse me if I hurt anyone's feelings.
Just because you like the movie doesn't mean it's immune from criticism
When the hell did I say that? I just was trying to have a conversation about it with you and you seem to be upset again by the word nitpicking which is what I consider some people complaining to be doing.
We both know currently that FTL travel is not possible are you upset that the film did not explain that? Are you upset the film didn't explain stasis pods? The course of the film itself would have never taken place as months or years of unmanned missions would examine the planet and installations but like I said before that doesn't make an entertaining movie does it?
Finally you seem to dislike me for some unknown reason even though I haven't been rude or negative towards you. Perhaps you're generally a miserable shit? Calm yourself.
The important thing here is that you feel superior and managed to say the same thing over again.
And considering you've shown to possess the mindset that anyone complaining about the movie is "nitpicking", then yes, the implication is that you feel the movie is immune from criticism, otherwise you would have made a halfway-intelligent counter-argument instead of using a cop-out.
Suppose i'll say it one more time. No I don't think the movie is immune from criticism as I have problems with it myself but I managed to enjoy it without scoffing at the science FICTION fallacies or points that couldn't be proven. Speaking particularly to you I asked questions and tried to have a conversation about the point you were making but you're hung up on my say nitpicking which has obviously hurt your feelings.
Liquid sure as hell was nitpicking as he couldn't put two different ideas together or couldn't come up with anything on his own like the opening scene. Reread the replies i've made to you not to others because you're putting words or ideas in my mouth.
I didn't outright call you a miserable shit but genuinely are asking because you are negative as fuck. I haven't seen you post one reasonable response or post in good spirit sense I first noticed you accusing me of plagiarizing an article that I clearly didn't, which by the way made fun of the movie which you think i'm a fanboy of.
I agree that the process behind these newer aliens' life cycles and how it links to the Xenomorph life cycle is convoluted as hell, it's pretty clear the film suffers from too many separate (but really cool) ideas that they tried haphazardly to incorporate into a single film. hell, even the philosophy was all fragmented. If they do make a sequel (which they must) Ridley Scott will have quite a task trying to explain all these plot holes questions.
i still really enjoyed the film though, i didn't find the characters as bland as some people claim, it drew me in, the look and sound were superb. And my only real complaint was that the whole new alien species (something that's pretty important in the plot) wasn't fully thought through (a geeky complaint, but still counts godammit!)